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    Farm-grade off-road diesel?

    Anyone know of problems running farm-grade/off-road diesel fuel? I travel nationwide and can get it in different states but have been afraid to try.

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    there is no problems running it in your truck. the only difference is the dye they put it in it, as its not legal to have in a truck that drives on the road because your not paying road tax when you buy it.

    so sure they sell it. but do you want to risk getting the ticket that goes with it if you get caught?
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    It is a very expensive fine if you get caught and the dye stays in your system for a very long time. It takes thousands of gallons to wash it out completely from everything that I have heard/read. Really not worth it.
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    I grew up on a farm and have done it. Like they said, there is no difference in the fuel, just the dye. You pretty much have to run the tank empty and then 2 or 3 tanks before it will get all for they dye out. From what I have been told from the truckers I know, I believe the fine is something rediculous like $1000 a gallon. If you get pulled over and the cop feels like dipping your tank then you are screwed. Most of the time they only check big trucks, commercial trucks, and farm vehicles, but that isnt saying you wont get checked. I have heard of guys getting their tanks dipped back home, but that is all farm country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigred_stroker View Post
    I grew up on a farm and have done it. Like they said, there is no difference in the fuel, just the dye. You pretty much have to run the tank empty and then 2 or 3 tanks before it will get all for they dye out. From what I have been told from the truckers I know, I believe the fine is something rediculous like $1000 a gallon. If you get pulled over and the cop feels like dipping your tank then you are screwed. Most of the time they only check big trucks, commercial trucks, and farm vehicles, but that isnt saying you wont get checked. I have heard of guys getting their tanks dipped back home, but that is all farm country.
    That's what I heard on the fine also.

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    The fine sounds about right from what I remember. But you may have only put in 5 gallons. They assume whole tank is red diesel and can fine for total capacity of your tank/tanks. Thats why big rigs stay away from it. At 100-300 capacity its really not worth it in a big rig to be fined $1000 a gallon. If your truck holds 30 gallons its still possible to be fined up to $30,000. Usual places that check are rural farm communities. Especially if they see out of state plates. I have seen a lot of big trucks stopped and getting tanks dipped when I ran across country. They all had out of state plates.

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    This was taken from good ol' WIKI

    Taxation

    Diesel fuel is very similar to heating oil which is used in central heating. In Europe, the United States, and Canada, taxes on diesel fuel are higher than on heating oil due to the fuel tax, and in those areas, heating oil is marked with fuel dyes and trace chemicals to prevent and detect tax fraud. Similarly, "untaxed" diesel (sometimes called "off road diesel") is available in the United States, which is available for use primarily in agricultural applications such as fuel for tractors, recreational and utility vehicles or other non-commercial vehicles that do not use public roads. Additionally, this fuel may have sulphur levels that exceed the limits for road use using the newer 2007 standards. This untaxed diesel is dyed red for identification purposes,[25] and should a person be found to be using this untaxed diesel fuel for a typically taxed purpose (such as "over-the-road", or driving use), the user can be fined US$10,000. In the United Kingdom, Belgium and the Netherlands it is known as red diesel (or gas oil), and is also used in agricultural vehicles, home heating tanks, refrigeration units on vans/trucks which contain perishable items (e.g. food, medicine) and for marine craft. Diesel fuel, or Marked Gas Oil is dyed green in the Republic of Ireland. The term DERV ("diesel engined road vehicle") is used in the UK as a synonym for unmarked road diesel fuel. In India, taxes on diesel fuel are lower than on petroleum as the majority of the transportation that transports grains and other essential commodities across the country runs on diesel.
    In Germany, diesel fuel is taxed lower than petroleum but the annual vehicle tax is higher for diesel vehicles than for petroleum vehicles.[citation needed] This gives an advantage to vehicles that travel longer distances (which is the case for trucks and utility vehicles) because the annual vehicle tax depends only on engine displacement, not on distance driven. The point at which a diesel vehicle becomes less expensive than a comparable petroleum vehicle is around 20,000 km per year (12,500 miles per year) for an average car.[citation needed]
    Taxes on biodiesel in the United States vary from state to state and in some states (Texas, for example) have no tax on biodiesel and a reduced tax on biodiesel blends equivalent to the amount of biodiesel in the blend, so B20 fuel is taxed 20% less than pure petrodiesel.[26] Other states, such as North Carolina, tax biodiesel (in any blended configuration) the same as petrodiesel, although they have introduced new incentives to producers and users of all biofuels.[27]
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    That was a long read, but it doesn't say anything about alternative fuels other than bio-diesel.
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    It was mostly posted to state potential fines from a good source when running off road diesel on the streets.
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    The fines work both ways....I would buy it in a heartbeat but no one is gonna sell it to you....at least not at a gas station....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurboChris View Post
    The fines work both ways....I would buy it in a heartbeat but no one is gonna sell it to you....at least not at a gas station....
    True.

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