Hydrogen fuel????

**Raul @ Stealth Automotive** · 10-05-2008, 04:04 PM

i just got back from the Off-road Expo.... 1 booth cought my eye and i talked with the guy for about 10min..... they are called Hydrogen green fuel technologies....

i wanted to see if any of you guys had played with their system... they had a 6.4L their with the system on the truck and said it was getting 40% more fuel economy than with out the system... it also comes with a SCT with a custom tune for the Hydrogen kit to work properly....

here is the website... let me know what you guys think:

Hydrogen Green Fuel Technolgoies, Corp.

-Raul

**mattymx** · 10-05-2008, 04:51 PM

I am in the process of making my own hydroxy generator. This has been something I have been researching for months.

**Raul @ Stealth Automotive** · 10-05-2008, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by mattymx

I am in the process of making my own hydroxy generator. This has been something I have been researching for months.

yah the system looked pretty dang good..and the theory behind is is solid....

im actually very interested and gonna call these guys up on monday to see what kind of deal they can give me on one for my work truck.... because shes only getting 9mpg.... all it has in mods is a intake, exhaust, and gauges.. but it hauls a lot of stuff all the time.....

thing i dont get and i talked to him about it is... it requires its own tuning... but.... what about us with custom tunes... esp the 6.0L guys.... our tunes are pushing more fuel into the mix where theirs puts less in because its replacing what it needs with hydorgen....

anyways... im super excited about this... seems away easier than doing vegi oil... no mess and a simple install...

-Raul

**mattymx** · 10-05-2008, 05:01 PM

It will need tuning that is not advanced. That will cause detonation. Also with split shot injectors, the pilot injection will use up most if not all of the hydrogen. How much will this lower the potential for efficiency? I dont know yet.

But for a little time doing research and testing, you could make your own that is just as good for very little money. That is the route I am going to go.

But for someone that is going to run a hydrogen generator on a 7.3, I would advise either a custom tune that retards timing when hydrogen is used or get a blue IH CPS that retards timing.

**mattymx** · 10-05-2008, 05:03 PM

I forgot to mention that I have seen their kit and it is way too over priced. I am building a kit that is a good 3 times larger and will have less than $150 invested.

**Raul @ Stealth Automotive** · 10-05-2008, 08:56 PM

anyone else have any insight on this? is it safe to do? or are you playign with fire?

**4WPTEMECULA** · 10-05-2008, 09:57 PM

Well, I've known about the PMG version of the hydrogen conversion for quite a while now and I think it will be a hot item. Also I have personally met, at least 10 different individuals that have made similar kits, that are attempting to build/market their own home-made designs, one of them a guy 6 houses down from me. I have heard there are instructions on the net to build one in your garage pretty easily and very cheap. What pro motors is doing that nobody else has done is: Mass Production. After several years and several thousands of dollars in r&d, that place has made a completely plug and play system that will install in any car, truck, suv, american, foreign, diesel, gas within a few hours, at a price that may or may not be considered reasonable. I think the price is fair, not just considering the cost of components, but also r&d, payroll, facility, vehicles, utilities, "start up" and initial costs, marketing, advertising, patents, plus any loans/contracts/obligations they have made to be able to develop, and mass produce a product, not to mention the countless hours that went into making it plug and play on many many models of vehicles from many many different manufacturers. Plus they back it up with a money back guarantee. Let me stress the importance of the 'mass production' thing: PMG expects to ship 100,000 units by the end of 2008, and they havent moved a single unit yet.(couple weeks away) if they start tomorrow that leaves them less than 12 weeks. Lots of manufacturers of different products show up at my store with a great idea or something that they made that they think my company could sell, the fact is, when you're moving product from 8 DC's, 63 retail centers, internet, mailorder, and wholesale under 3 major company names, all with thier own catalogs, one guy cant support that kind of demand, and my company is tiny! The major parts players are dealing out of several hundred DC's with 3000+ stores, so what happens when AutoZone wants to sell this thing to their customers? It's gonna happen.
The other thing you get when you go with an 'out of the box' product vs. something somebody made for you(or got you instructions so you could make it yourself), when you go with a major manufacturer and installer, you pretty much have a guarantee that if you have issues, you will be taken care of. In the market and economy we're in, and the general public interest in the product(has been on several news programs already), lets say you plugged in thier system and melt down your Powerstroke, you think they'll let it get to the point where you tell 'the troubleshooter' on the evening news about the problems you had with their product? If they get a bad rap out of the gate their whole operation will be sunk for life. They would pay to replace engine, or whatever else failed, and then spend thousands more researching what caused the failure, so they could go on about producing kits.
Just hang back for a little bit and see the initial reactions when these things start getting installed, I'll bet it goes off pretty big.

**Raul @ Stealth Automotive** · 10-05-2008, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by 4WPTEMECULA

Well, I've known about the PMG version of the hydrogen conversion for quite a while now and I think it will be a hot item. Also I have personally met, at least 10 different individuals that have made similar kits, that are attempting to build/market their own home-made designs, one of them a guy 6 houses down from me. I have heard there are instructions on the net to build one in your garage pretty easily and very cheap. What pro motors is doing that nobody else has done is: Mass Production. After several years and several thousands of dollars in r&d, that place has made a completely plug and play system that will install in any car, truck, suv, american, foreign, diesel, gas within a few hours, at a price that may or may not be considered reasonable. I think the price is fair, not just considering the cost of components, but also r&d, payroll, facility, vehicles, utilities, "start up" and initial costs, marketing, advertising, patents, plus any loans/contracts/obligations they have made to be able to develop, and mass produce a product, not to mention the countless hours that went into making it plug and play on many many models of vehicles from many many different manufacturers. Plus they back it up with a money back guarantee. Let me stress the importance of the 'mass production' thing: PMG expects to ship 100,000 units by the end of 2008, and they havent moved a single unit yet.(couple weeks away) if they start tomorrow that leaves them less than 12 weeks. Lots of manufacturers of different products show up at my store with a great idea or something that they made that they think my company could sell, the fact is, when you're moving product from 8 DC's, 63 retail centers, internet, mailorder, and wholesale under 3 major company names, all with thier own catalogs, one guy cant support that kind of demand, and my company is tiny! The major parts players are dealing out of several hundred DC's with 3000+ stores, so what happens when AutoZone wants to sell this thing to their customers? It's gonna happen.
The other thing you get when you go with an 'out of the box' product vs. something somebody made for you(or got you instructions so you could make it yourself), when you go with a major manufacturer and installer, you pretty much have a guarantee that if you have issues, you will be taken care of. In the market and economy we're in, and the general public interest in the product(has been on several news programs already), lets say you plugged in thier system and melt down your Powerstroke, you think they'll let it get to the point where you tell 'the troubleshooter' on the evening news about the problems you had with their product? If they get a bad rap out of the gate their whole operation will be sunk for life. They would pay to replace engine, or whatever else failed, and then spend thousands more researching what caused the failure, so they could go on about producing kits.
Just hang back for a little bit and see the initial reactions when these things start getting installed, I'll bet it goes off pretty big.

thanks for the input bud...

that was my main concern... will this hurt the engine in the long run... and the fact that you basiclaly have to run this on a stock truck.... i run a custom tuned chip... and most of my customers run custom tuned SCT's...from my understanding of it.. they would have to set their truck back to stock and run their fuel tuning in order to get it to work.... that part kind of blows.... i would rather keep my 10-12mpg and have my power than get 20mpg+ and run stock lol....

**mattymx** · 10-06-2008, 02:38 AM

They dont need to run a stock truck. You can run a lot of fuel, but the timing needs to be pulled back. That will require custom tuning and any good tuner should be able to make a file like that.

Those premade kits are a rip off in most all cases. Even with their garantee, that system could be made for 10% of what they charge. Do the math and see how long it would take you if that kit cut your fuel in half. And then see how long if it only showed a 25% savings. And then 10%. And they want 2 Grand for their diesel kit?:slap:

**superDF350** · 10-06-2008, 04:03 PM

we have one together were i work. It holds about a quart right now and have a 1 gallom in the workes. Its made out of .5" clear lexan. It works pretty good so far. It is weird how it works but it does.

**4WPTEMECULA** · 10-06-2008, 11:34 PM

Though I agree that pre made kits are far more expensive, the fact remains it is a quality product, and to be able to make several hundred thousand kits, pay employees to develop systems on vehicles that were purchased specifically for r&d, that make kits that work on anything, with their own tuner, market, advertise, manufacture and produce, without collecting dime one until they start shipping doesn't sound unreasonable to me, that's the American way.

Here is the increase they're claiming: on a 2008 Duty they went from 14 to 24 mpg. So lets just base this on getting 15mpg stock to the claimed 24 mpg, a 60% increase, if you drive 15000 miles per year(1250 a month) at an average of $4.25 per gallon(conservative yes?) you would save about $132.81 per month, or $1593.72.

Cheaper to grow your own tomatos too, I choose the local grocery store.