Exhaust Info

[watersurgeon]

So I learned a little about the exhaust on this beast from a very reliable source.

The Catalytic Unit and the Filter/Carbon Reactor are a one piece unit and must be serviced together. They weigh 150 pounds. Yup you heard it right. Because of the weight, two service technicians are now required to work on the exhaust.

At 120,000 miles the truck goes into a reactor mode and burns off the Carbon that builds up in the filter. Then the filter needs to be serviced. This requires a trip to the dealer. Who has to purchase from ford a $10,000 tool that shakes the filter and removes the carbon ash.

Because the concentrations of ash and other elements are so high the State of California consideres this a Haz. Material and anyone working on the exhaust has to be in a full haz mat. suit.

So the dealers are not real happy about this new requirment. Many dealers are thinking about co-oping a central exhaust service center and just exchanging out the exhaust when it comes time and then sending the spent system to a central location to rejuvinate them.

Oh, and the kicker the smog laws become so stringent in 2010 that this 6.4 design will be absolete. Ford is looking at only a two year production run on these engines. So be leary very leary about going out and buying one.

[THE DON]

Another reason to keep my 2005. But now the 6.0L is no longer made. Engines come and go. As long as there are parts or you know a mechanic from Cuba (they can fix anything) you are good to go.

Plus I really like my truck.

[Samuel1941]

At the anniversary meeting (February 11th) the International representative said that the 6.4L will be the Ford engine until at least 2012.

The way the engine is currently set up it will not meet the 2010 emissions requirements, but they plan to add some more emission add ons at that time that will make the "package" meet the emission requirements till at least 2012!

So, according to International, the 6.4 will be Ford's engine for at least 5 years!!

[mattymx]

But IH just stopped shipping the 6.4 to Ford. I wonder how long this will last? That would be crazy if Ford had to find a new engine.

[BillD]

I bet it is more of who will blink first between ford and ih. Neither one can afford to do this very long. I also just read Ford is slowing down production at the KTP due to no diesel engines.

Bill

[THE DON]

As long as it does not effect the price of the truck, I don't care.

Someone in a head office is not looking out for the company in the long haul. You file a suit over this kind of issue and fight it out in court. You don't stop sending your product to the only client that is buying it. The 6.0L had issue and IT designed it, right? So if they gave Ford a warrenty on them, well they need to uphold it.

My next truck purchase is a few years away, if not 10 years away and I am going to buy a truck that works. I don't care who makes it but it better be a Ford. That's all I have to say about that.

[supercup]

But IH just stopped shipping the 6.4 to Ford. I wonder how long this will last? That would be crazy if Ford had to find a new engine.

I think Ford will blink first as they have a Company to lose. IH has development costs to write off, a much lower cost, but not one they want regardless.

Plus IH may have a real live alternative - the new Toyota Full size truck has no diesel developed for it yet. My guess in the IH boys already know it will fit in and have another buyer for the 6.4, which will leave Ford high and dry and headed for BK. Toyota will go singing all the way to the Bank.

All speculation of course but something else for Ford to think about.

JCM

[THE DON]

WOW! What an idea, a 6.4 in a Toyota.

[SuperDutyDave]

I do not think that this is an option. I believe that Toyota owns the "HINO" brand of light duty box trucks. However, I would not be suprised by anything that happens in the automotive industry these days.

It is kind of funny how Toyota has come so far (& so fast recently) in terms of quality and ability to deliver product. Ford has consistently put shareholder profits ahead of long term goals for the company and this is the situation at GM & Chrysler as well. The Japanese business model is so much different than ours and seems much better suited for manufacturing. For example, costs to construct a Toyota vehicle in an American plant are almost the same as in Japan. Look at how Caterpillar manufacturers a siginifcant portion of small and medium size equipment in Japan.

[watersurgeon]

At the anniversary meeting (February 11th) the International representative said that the 6.4L will be the Ford engine until at least 2012.

The way the engine is currently set up it will not meet the 2010 emissions requirements, but they plan to add some more emission add ons at that time that will make the "package" meet the emission requirements till at least 2012!

So, according to International, the 6.4 will be Ford's engine for at least 5 years!!

He's wrong, the motor is only good for two years. (I cant say who told me this, but its someone I know and trust and who knows the details) The smog laws are so stringent in 2010 for diesels that nobodys current engine will meet it. The rep is a trained chimp and he's going to say what the company wants him to say.

Look back at the 6.0. That engine was suppose to meet the 2008 smog requirements, and that's what IH said in 2003.

Theres an old saying, don't rush the monkey, you'll get a better show.

Oh, and don't forget the 500 mil. lawsuit that Ford filed against IH for the 6.0.

[Samuel1941]

(I cant say who told me this, but its someone I know and trust and who knows the details)

Aha, the mystery source that is always right because they can't be identified and verified.

I get so frustrated with secret leaks vs what the actual representatives tell us!!

It's a shame that some companies (please note, I don't know if Ford is one or not) can't be honest with the public and that we have become so distrustful of all of them!!!

There is no way for me to know who has got the true facts on this, so I'll just figuratively archive this post and we can see what really happens in about 3 years!!!!

[watersurgeon]

Aha, the mystery source that is always right because they can't be identified and verified.

I get so frustrated with secret leaks vs what the actual representatives tell us!!

It's a shame that some companies (please note, I don't know if Ford is one or not) can't be honest with the public and that we have become so distrustful of all of them!!!

There is no way for me to know who has got the true facts on this, so I'll just figuratively archive this post and we can see what really happens in about 3 years!!!!

I know it sounds like the old story, " My sisters, best friends, cousin, who knew a guy......... You get the point......

I don't think its a matter of the company being honest with the public, so much as being honest with their own people.

Look at the history in the last couple of years. The 6.0 is the bastard child of IH, and Ford has tried to rehabilitate the little guy. Only it did not work so there only out was to file one of the largest lawsuits in US history against a supplier. 500 million. Ooooouccchhhhh!

IH is responce, stop shipping motors.... Until a Federal judge signed an order for them too start shipping them or suffer Federal consequences.

I wish I could just point fingers at an indv. as to "he said, she said" but that would jeoprodize some long standing trust between friends, and I am sure you can understand that trust between friends is priceless.

So I guess we will revisit this thread in a few years to see if what I said was really up to Par?

All kidding aside. Flaming out the tailpipe is a serious issue. I can only imagine its a matter of time when someone at the DOT sees the Flaming Ford Video. Or how about the EPA. Iam sure they would be interested in the Pollution caused by the horizontal BBQ.

The writting is on the wall, this concept of re-acting spent carbon with fuel, to reduce it to Ash,.......Well Crematories use this same process to reduce carbon base matter....... It does not take a rocket scientist to realieze this may not be the best idea around.

Im no tree hugger or fish kisser, but let's face the piper......We diesel burners have been getting the "pass go, collect $200.00" for a long time......Thanks in part to Long Haul Trucking lobbying against the restrictions. Bummer, it finally caught up with everyone and now everyone is trying to scramble to find a solution to the smog requirments....

Frankly I thought it was ok the way it was.

[ryanPSD]

I have a very close friend who knows the owner of a local dealership well and have also heard bad stories, but I think frankly they all have to be taken with a grain of salt. Everyone with info has their reliable source, I guess I do too, but at this point who knows who's right and what's going to happen?

I don't know why you couldn't reveal your source, I think it would add some credibility, but I know you have reasons am not going to fight it either. Personally, I have and will still believe what the representative has said.

I guess I'll spill my two cents. I think (hope) that Ford and IH has a reliable engine, but the EPA requirements seem to be killing everything. As far as the EPA regulations go, I don't like them. I don't necessarily agree that we should have none, and go around trashing the environment, but I think if it gets to the point where it is hurting what our economy seems to have some dependency on this much, cut them some slack. Then again I from what I understand some of the higher ups in these companies don't seem to make the best decisions either.

I really don't know.