EGR Recommendation??

[CHPJames]

Hello Guys!

I have a 2005 F-350 6.0 Harley Edition with the Banks PDA but everything else is stock. I just ordered a coolant filter from a recommendation here on Socaps. What do you guys recommend I do with my EGR? EGR delete? What are the pros and cons with my different options? Thanks for your help!!

James
CHPJames@yahoo.com

[Newman]

Be careful deleting it because you may not pass emissions. You can always go with a BulletProofDiesel - Darn-Near Bullet Proof Diesel Products for your 6.0 EGR cooler which comes with a lifetime warranty

[F350MudBogger]

I wouldn't mess with it unless it gets symptoms its failing (i.e coolant puking) then go with a EGR cooler delete but you'll need to use an SCT tuner to turn off the EGR valve if you remove it or leave the valve in and just delete the EGR cooler only or get an MKM Customs upgraded EGR cooler that is a direct replacement for the stock EGR cooler that has a lifetime warranty against failure. Its probably what I will be doing in the near future myself.

[2 Stroker]

Hello Guys!

I have a 2005 F-350 6.0 Harley Edition with the Banks PDA but everything else is stock. I just ordered a coolant filter from a recommendation here on Socaps. What do you guys recommend I do with my EGR? EGR delete? What are the pros and cons with my different options? Thanks for your help!!

James
CHPJames@yahoo.com

First are you running any gauges to tell the difference between the ECT-EOT the max temp set by ford is 15* difference i think 10* your coolers are starting to get plugged from the silicates that drop out of the Ford Gold coolant by the heat produced by the EGR cooler but the first stop for the silicates is the oil cooler but the EGR cooler is the one that goes out you can do a delete to reduce the heat. Now the fix is the coolant filter and ditching the gold coolant and do a coolant flush and install a ELC coolent that is CAT EC-1 Rated (Cat-Fleetrite-Fleetguard-Delo) and others here is the flush.


ELC is the coolant recommended and used by International for this engine. .
Coolant Flush for changing to ELC

Drain coolant by removing lower radiator hose. Drain block from plug on drivers side of the block. Remove the thermostat. Replace plug in block and put lower hose back on. Put thermostat housing back on without thermostat. Fill with distilled water. run for 5 minutes then drain as above..Fill and run 5 more minutes drain. Put in 3/4 to 1 gallon of Restore an top with distilled water. Drive it for an 60-90 minutes then drain. Flush 2 times with distilled water or whatever it takes to come clear. Put 2 qts of VC-9 or 3/4 to 1 gallon of Restore+ cost less and fill with distilled water. Drive it for about 60-90 minutes. Drain and flush after. Flush 3 more times with distilled water untill it come out clean. Replace thermostat or put in a new one. Put hose back, make sure block plug is tight. Add 3.5 gallons of ELC concentrate and top off with distilled water. Make sure to run engine for 5 minutes between flushes to circulate the water good. Have heater on set to hi while doing this to flush the heater core too. new t/stat from Ford it should all come together (housing-t/stat-o-ring) in a box. The part number is RT-1169
Have a look at this, it may help i like pictures

http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/6-0-motor-problems/149749-replaced-oil-cooler-still-difference-temps-21.html#post2063212
This is the ELC coolant that i'm useing
Features
Delo Extended Life Coolant/Antifreeze products are heavy duty engine coolants that use a patented organic corrosion inhibitor technology called carboxylates. The product line consists of Delo Extended Life Coolant/Anti-Freeze Concentrate, Delo Extended Life Prediluted 50/50 Coolant/Anti-Freeze and Delo Extender.
Delo Extended Life Coolant/Antifreezeconcentrate is ethylene glycol based and contains Chevron`s patented carboxylate technology. This product does not contain conventional inhibitors like silicates, nitrates, amines, phosphates or borates. Delo ELC concentrate can be used for initial fill or top up but it must diluted. It should be used full strength for freeze point adjustment.
Delo Extended Life Prediluted 50/50 Coolant/Antifreeze is a 50/50 mixture of Delo Extended Life Coolant/Antifreeze concentrate with deionized water for freeze protection down to -37°C and boil over protection to 129°C with a 15 lb pressure cap. Delo ELC Prediluted 50/50 is recommended for top up and can be used for initial fill.
Delo Extender should be added to Delo ELC at 500,000 miles/10,000 hours/4 years to reach a coolant service life of 1,000,000 miles/20,000 hours/8 years. The amount of Extender needed is based on the volume of the cooling system. Extender should only be added once during the service life of Delo ELC.
Applications
The patented carboxylate technology in Delo ELC can be used in on-road, off-road and stationary engine applications. Delo ELC protects all cooling system components and has proven over years of field testing and customer use to improve water pump life and improve heat transfer. The inhibitors in Delo ELC do not readily deplete and for this reason there is no need to add SCAs or test the coolant/antifreeze as is required when using conventional coolants requiring SCA additions.
In service Delo ELC is recommended for use out to 750,000 miles/15,000 hours/8 years. If even longer service intervals are desired then the addition of Delo Extender at 500,000 miles/10,000 hours/4 years will extend the service life to 1,000,000 miles/20,000 hours/8 years. When using Delo ELC it is not recommended that supplemental coolant additives be used. If an accidental addition of SCAs should happen it will not create any operational issues. Additions of SCAs to Delo ELC increases the overall cost of maintenance and adds inhibitors that are not needed for ELC to perform at maximum levels of protection. Delo ELC products are dilution tolerant up to 25% percent with other non-Delo ELC products or water. Dilution of more then 25% will reduce the extended life properties of this product. When using Delo ELC it is recommended that the product freeze point be maintained between -12°F and -62°F. If the freeze point is higher or lower than the range specified it is an indication that water or concentrated coolant has been added to the system.
2 stroker

[Newman]

I wouldn't mess with it unless it gets symptoms its failing (i.e coolant puking) then go with a EGR cooler delete but you'll need to use an SCT tuner to turn off the EGR valve if you remove it or leave the valve in and just delete the EGR cooler only or get an MKM Customs upgraded EGR cooler that is a direct replacement for the stock EGR cooler that has a lifetime warranty against failure. Its probably what I will be doing in the near future myself.

I didn't know they offered a lifetime warranty?

[F350MudBogger]

I didn't know they offered a lifetime warranty?

I think it's a Bulletproof EGR Cooler so lifetime warranty is through them.

[Newman]

I think it's a Bulletproof EGR Cooler so lifetime warranty is through them.

In the description it states it is a "Sinister EGR Cooler" I don't see BPD letting them rename their product. I'll call tomorrow and find out because now i'm curious.

[dezzrats]

In the description it states it is a "Sinister EGR Cooler" I don't see BPD letting them rename their product. I'll call tomorrow and find out because now i'm curious.

Post up what you find out. It looks like to me that Sinister and BulletProof are two different shops that have close to the same aftermarket cooler.

[Newman]

I totally brainfarted it. I worked late on Friday and forgot to call today. I'll try and remember to call tomorrow.

[CHPJames]

2Stroker,

Thanks for the info! After reading your post last week i've been on here researching a bunch of stuff regarding our beloved 6.0 EGR issues and boy have I learned a ton from guys like yourself! I GREATLY appreciate you and others sharing your knowledge which ultimately will save me $$$ in the future. I definitely plan on visiting OCD and getting my 6.0 'bulletproofed' sometime when I have that kind of money.

Anyhow, so I purchased a coolant filter from Dieselsite and will install after I flush my radiator like you recommended. I'm having a heck of a time locating Delo Extended Life Antifreeze and the Restore/Restore+! I live in San Diego (south SD) and nobody carries it or i'm not looking in the right areas. Can you offer any insight on where I can get some locally or online?

One more questions....I have a 2005 F-350 longbed Harley Edition 6.0 with the Banks PDA. I have been watching my engine temp and oil temp via the PDA. At what point is it best to view these temps to get an accurate reading to see if im coming up on EGR issues? After the truck is warm and driving down the freeway and a steady speed??

Thanks again for your time and replies!!

James

[Lucy06]

I believe what you want to flush with is the Restore...NOT the restore + because the Restore is the product that focuses on the silicate gel which is ultmately what we are trying to keep out of the oil cooler. I have read and been told to then run the VC-9 and I am not sure what that does. I think it may condition the system after the Restore cleans the system. As for where to get the Restore, it is a cummins product so I would try a dodge dealership or see if you can order it from the website (Restore). They at least have a dealer locator on the site

[eboteilho]

I have been watching my engine temp and oil temp via the PDA. At what point is it best to view these temps to get an accurate reading to see if im coming up on EGR issues?

James

Hi James, since you're monitoring engine oil and engine coolant temps via the pda, after the engine has fully warmed up, they'll ideally be really close to each other. No more than 15 degrees apart is the basic guideline. When you cold-start, they can be pretty different from each other while they're warming up.

[Newman]

Alright. I called MKM Customs. The lady that answered the phone didn't know so she took down my number to have someone call me back. About an hour later I got a call from Sinister MFG. They are the manufacturer of the cooler not BPD. I asked him to compare the 2 and he said he didn't know much about the BPD cooler but it looks like their cooler. I was in a hurry when talking with him since I was at work and i didn't ask any other questions.

[infantry032003]

I believe BPD has come up with their own oil cooler along with their own egr cooler...however sinister's egr cooler is built very similar to BPD but the oil cooler is (straight off their website: "Ford newest version of oil cooler for the 6.0 powerstroke. Thicker internal fins to minimize chance of cooler failure. This is a new Ford OEM (not re-manufactured) oil cooler The Oil Cooler includes new gaskets for easy installation" (Ford 6.0L Powerstroke Basic Solution With Upgraded Cooler) Sinister doesnt' mention anything about a lifetime warranty but guarantee their egr cooler will not leak.

[F350MudBogger]

I have also seen a Garrett EGR Cooler that has tubes like the bulletproof cooler, It did not look as stout as the tubes looked like they were brazed rather than welded stainless, It did look better than the stock ford cooler. Here is a pic on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=180616478634